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Serene Repose
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:53:00 -
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Have you ever considered the reason most people don't go into null or low sec is because you're out there? This may be hard to believe, and it isn't meant as an insult. If your idea of "play" is destroying things, including the efforts and aspirations of other people, and you're unhappy with null and low sec because there's just not enough people out there to get your ya yas out, it may be highly likely the problem is with you, not the mechanics of the game.
The reason I say this is this issue of null/low/hi sec keeps getting tossed around, but the cogent point about why players aren't encouraged with the idea of leaving hi sec specifically isn't really covered adequately, or is so heavily stomped on by the "destructive" players who also can't seem to keep their attitudes confined to their playing "styles."
So, here it is. The great majority of EVE players do not find constantly fighting with no real opportunity to be creative (rather than destructive) a satisfying, enjoyable or productive way to spend time. This obviates (Google it) itself by the sheer numbers of complaints from the destructive players, and the relative lack of similar complaints by those who are contemptuously labeled "Care Bears." It's even to the point where the destructive minority is urging CCP to change game mechanics to force the productive players into their arena so they may be supplied with a steady stream of victims.
Oddly enough, this disdain for a destructive gaming style has not so much to do with cowardice (and the destructive types with some sort of bravery) as it has to do with the mind-numbing repetitiveness of destructive gameplay. Face it. More intelligent, and widely versed people require something a bit more intricate than pew pew to attract their interest. Self-imagined thugs, however, need only to kick a hole in something to get their titillating giggles out. The adrenalin rush is okay. The satisfaction of seeing an intricately planned and well-executed creation reach fruition is much, much better.
As long as the majority of players see null and low sec as a sucker's bet populated only by those that intend to destroy everything creative players build, just to provide yucks for a minority of vocal (putting it nicely) vandals you will NOT see a major migration of hi sec players into low or null sec. Funny thing about intelligent people. They aren't stupid.
Read it and weep.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:57:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sig Thanks for proving my point. We, on the other hand, are glad you're there.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:41:00 -
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MaiLina KaTar wrote:Serene Repose wrote:stuff Players aren't moving to null because the game doesn't entice them. It's got nothing to do with attitude. At the end of the day players will do whatever the game lets them do and that's a good thing. It's up to game design to channel activity in such ways as to lead players in the desired direction. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Reading comprehension problem...?
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:42:00 -
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Via Shivon wrote:they will - if high sec is gone one day 
Brilliant. Hi sec will never be gone, and I bet you felt tough typing that.
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:43:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This game is a SANDBOX stop bitching, people can be where ever they want High, Low or 0.0 Sec space. Stop reading threads that don't interest you. Your post was the first bitching post on the thread. Geez.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:44:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Nova Fox wrote:TD;DR
Basically said that High Sec Players like to create not destroy.
This is not the case though there is much room for colonizing 0.0 and building something that would be talked for ages. There are very few things that come even close to what you can do out there and build out there. Then like all things in order to build you must find the ashes of before to build upon. Basicly said, most of those grieffing there and "pvp" there just because they like Concorde and "safety" more than each single rookie or afk miner. Change high sec to null like for a month or two and let's see how many uber high sec pvp gays or griefers will show their epeen. I already know the answer: 0 Uhhh.....right.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.12 21:36:00 -
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Majuan Shuo wrote:"This obviates (Google it) itself "
when you write something like that - its another way of saying "I used a thesaurus to find a word I myself didn't get at first, but will use it in this post as well as point out how sophisticated it is to appear smarter than the riff raff."
OR
"I suck ****" Ahar! I have to justify my vocabulary to someone with one like yours? Dream on.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.16 05:56:00 -
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Bubbles are kind of funny. It's like fishing with sticks of dynamite, then bragging about your skill with a rod and reel. Why actually have to nail your victims when you can do it en masse with a little...thingy? If I had a bubble and an epeen I'd be using one to stroke the other, too!
I do want to thank the more thought provoking and insightful people who helped make this thread the definitive response to the disingenuous rabble wanting a mechanics change so they can use their bubbles on us. I'd hate to think I went to all the trouble to figure out how to blow bubbles, and be sitting out there in nowhere waiting for someone to come stumbling into it so I can effortlessly blow them to bits and crow to my friends as I suck down another cheap beer. One can't help but empathize.
Unfortunately, the FU-Bears aren't able to put subtle and intricate ideas together. That would take some of that beer-soaked grey matter to do and of course it's otherwise occupied. But, if this issue does interest you and you do feel expanding null/low sec player density is doable, you should by now have more than a good idea what to do about it.
As the Taoist monk said, "We'll see."
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.19 15:03:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Have you ever considered the reason most people don't go into null or low sec is because you're out there? Nope. Well...maybe you should.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.20 13:56:00 -
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What's funny about it is, to make hi sec insecure totally trashes what shred of logic the racial sovereignty concept hangs by. If the entire map is to be undeveloped, and uncivilized, then there'd be NO stations anywhere but for those built by players. HOWEVER (big however here) how could anyone build a station when there's NO MARKET?
The entire rationale for moving hi sec people into the rest of the map based on making everyone vulnerable (God forbid to the ones who've been playing for eight years) should be disregarded as psycho babble. The idea of transitioning into null sec from hi as a course of maturation, with experience and prosperity, should be the paradigm of choice.
The problem is, we have savages among us. They own computers and download computer games. They slaver over their keyboards looking to PWN, as they have NO ability to do anything else. Their thoughtless and destructive natures ruin their security status and they're FORCED into self-inflicted exile. THEN they crow about it like they really planned it that way!
There's no way to stop them! Well, there are ways but they're all highly illegal. Still...one can hope...and there's a lot of time stretching out there into the future....in case the savages are feeling a bit too secure in mommy's basement.
I think it'd be great if some of these more well-established, and experienced corps would attempt to help migrate, or transition players into the outer regions. But, Pok keeps mentioning this bridge he has for sale in San Francisco. I'm partial to orange bridges.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2011.11.21 08:18:00 -
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Cyndre Valryssian wrote:I've read this thread on and off all night considering whether to respond but frankly it's hard to respond without venom.
The op post claims not to be insulting but proceeds to take the stance of a self proclaimed intelligentsia (google it) both insulting in tone and pointedly offensive.
You can hardly take the morale high ground by dismissing alternate styles of game play that you clearly disapprove of as bigoted and foolish without yourself becoming the bigot. Well. I'll be hornswaggled. All that typing and you missed the point. Who took any moral ground? Guess again....intelligentsia, Marxist dialectic for what they identified to be an oppressive "class" whom they then exterminated. Might be a word. Might be a term of art. A little too didactic for my taste.
Oh, wait. I get it. Slam dunk with a one-liner (you may need the delete key here) and you don't have to consider the idea of the post. Right? Good one, Michael Jordan.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 18:36:00 -
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There's nothing to solve. As it's been said, anyone wanting to "densify" null/lo sec just needs to do the obvious.
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